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KoolieMum
She was here in 2003 or 4. I wonder if anyone here went? or knows about her stuff?

royalla
no i have not heard of her?
KoolieMum
She does this (I think) wonderful thing where she teaches a kind of targeting where the animal learns the names of it's body parts - you say the word and the animal will put that bit of themselves on your hand. Which could be useful. And you can ask them to move just that bit - she's originally a marine mammal trainer, but now she also does a lot of horse and dog stuff. Hopefully this will work to show it...
http://www.caninehorizons.com/More__Body_T...y%20targets.wmv
But I'm thinking that some of the dogs work more like well-trained (with -ve R) horses. Which isn't what I want, personally.
Bluedog
Watched it a couple of times. The dog didn't seem to have a lot of spark but then I don't know how old it is nor how many times it had to do it for the camera! I thought the position of the hand would also give the dog some indication of what was wanted by the trainer. I would think you could achieve the same with +ve reinforcement. I haven't done any doggie dancing but I believe that they train the dog to learn left and right paw, front and back or maybe I dreamt that! Also is the dog actually "learning" its body parts or responding to a command? (That's just me stirring the pot anyway - who knows the answer?)
KoolieMum
QUOTE(Bluedog @ May 23 2008, 09:23 PM) *
Watched it a couple of times. The dog didn't seem to have a lot of spark but then I don't know how old it is nor how many times it had to do it for the camera! I thought the position of the hand would also give the dog some indication of what was wanted by the trainer. I would think you could achieve the same with +ve reinforcement. I haven't done any doggie dancing but I believe that they train the dog to learn left and right paw, front and back or maybe I dreamt that! Also is the dog actually "learning" its body parts or responding to a command? (That's just me stirring the pot anyway - who knows the answer?)
I thought Stamp had spark, but I don't think it about the Poodles that are also on the site. They do use R+ pretty much exclusively, but to me they seem to reduce the rate of reinforcement too much once the the behaviour is 'learned' and I think that is why it looses the spark that comes with good clicker training. On CanineHorizons there are a bunch of videos - one of the ones I watched the Poodle worked for ages (probably about 10-15 behaviours) until he was reinforced (with a primary R - think he got marked - they might argue that that reinforces him, but I'd say they're constantly on the boundary of losing their secondary Rs because of doing that). And yes, I'm sure that the name of the body part is a cue rather than a name.
I think there's a lot to learn from them though, especially about the intermediate reinforcer (pretty much what is generally called 'coaching' but an efficient way to do it).
One of our Delta instructors is one of this countries great trainers, Kerrie Haynes Lovell who used to run the polar bear exhibit at Seaworld - I'm not sure if she's still got some involvement there - during the EI I saw her on 7.30 report and thought she didn't look very well. (She also trained the dog from the xxxx ads - the white dog with the brown ear.) Anyway, she really particularly dislikes free shaping, and believes that it is the trainer's responsibility to show the animal what to do, rather than put it in a position of trying to work it out. So she gets a lot less of the restlessness that sometimes comes with clicker training. These SATS dogs are definately able to be asked very precisely for what you want them to do - you can talk to them very clearly, which I think is a good thing.
KoolieMum
Actually, on 2nd thoughts, I think part of the problem is that they are treating verbal praise as a primary R, I'm convinced that it is at most a 2ndary.
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